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Alan Krause	Posted - 12/17/2011 : 10:14:34 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cycling/16231501.stm (I've been talking with Graeme's manager lately) :)
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bigB	Posted - 09/13/2012 : 07:26:29 Adam I doubt he thinks prone has not been done before, they have Internet and google in Scotland ;-)
Adam C	Posted - 09/10/2012 : 11:09:08 quote: Originally posted by bigB Graeme is not an arrogant person the 100 mph thing is either media hype or tongue check this video sums up his realistic view of the challenge, he's doing it because it's there and not to try and piss anybody off. He has issues and things like this help him. You may have seen this before. http://www.humansinvent.com/#!/6131/return-of-the-flying-scotsman-inside-graeme-obree/ Ps I am a British time trialler and track rider. I don't think anyone thinks Obree is "arrogant". I certainly do not. Everyone was excited about Obree entering the HPV racing world. There was a lot of buzz and hype about what kind of speed bike he would build. when he announced that he was going to build a prone bike most people were surprised. I've read many articles about Obree's bike and saw several video interviews where Obree describes his bike and why he chose the prone configuration. But here's the thing though. I get the distinct impression that Obree really thinks his prone idea is some sort of novel, revolutionary design that nobody else has ever conceived before. Well, Obree lacks historical perspective. His prone idea is nothing new at all. I posted some photos of prone bikes from the mid 1970's, 35+ years ago. Mr. Fred Markham himself road one of Gardner Martin's prone bikes back then as well. These photos are from the 1978 issue of the "Human Power" newsletter.
DamjanZ	Posted - 09/10/2012 : 02:23:54 quote: Originally posted by jdub More on my blog Protobikes.org ...got the T-shirt Thank you for the updates on your blog. Damjan "Rowing forwards is possible, but hard."
jdub	Posted - 09/09/2012 : 12:49:34 I'm disappointed he isn't here. (I am at BM). About a week ago I was finally convinced he would be. Maybe doing some work in the UK will be good. Back in the dim and distant I was IHPVA observer when The Bean set some records at RAF Fairford. Mostly USAF site and they fly the tankers out of there so it is quite long. Looks slike we still have a very interesting event. More on my blog Protobikes.org ...got the T-shirt
PUGZCAT	Posted - 09/09/2012 : 03:54:19 The "girls" were getting catty. Obree will find out for himself shortly how fast his bike is.
Victor Ragusila	Posted - 09/08/2012 : 23:20:13 first of all, Obree only said his dream would be 100mph, and he would love to get to that speed...well, so would I! I mean, his comments were not inflammatory or lacking respect... The journalists took "i would love to go 100mph" and changed it to "his goal is 100mph because everyone is damn slow!" second of all, his bike is quite cool. The foot and knee motion is pretty cool, needs a better fairing, but i am intrigued. I would love to meet him, hopefully next year...
Runxner	Posted - 09/08/2012 : 20:24:30 I hope he has wheel covers/discs or at least invests in full-finger leather gloves. Team Low-Life Lowracer Test Pilot/Evangelist Adelaide, Australia
Speedbiker	Posted - 09/08/2012 : 16:54:51 Do the math. 100 mph on human power is almost certainly impossibe today. Doing it in two miles is less likely. Doing it in the machine pictured? Nope. I have come pretty close in predicting hpv speeds based on a visual assesment. I would put Obree's present machine at high 50s. That mat be generous.
cbroome	Posted - 09/08/2012 : 15:56:28 Reaching 100 mph on a 2-mile runway would be quite an achievement, especially as he would need some room to stop, or slow enough to turn onto a taxiway. And the Beastie has just a pair of caliper brakes. But Obree has surprised a lot of people before and he may well do the same with us. -- Chris Broome (written in a balmy 92 degrees F at Battle Mountain)
bigB	Posted - 09/08/2012 : 04:56:54 Graeme is not an arrogant person the 100 mph thing is either media hype or tongue check this video sums up his realistic view of the challenge, he's doing it because it's there and not to try and piss anybody off. He has issues and things like this help him. You may have seen this before. http://www.humansinvent.com/#!/6131/return-of-the-flying-scotsman-inside-graeme-obree/ Ps I am a British time trialler and track rider.
Adam C	Posted - 09/07/2012 : 16:27:24 quote: Originally posted by DamjanZ When I heard about Graeme and his intention to beat us all at Battle Mountain the first time, well, I got very skeptical. There was not much what we might have been overlooked, was it? But, I stayed reserved. What he showed us was not very perspective. I was waiting for the final surprise. But now I must say it looks silly. Come on, man. It is a classic case, a warning to beginners. For this purpose the poster will be just appropriate and I still like it. I agree with Warren, that not many people know for details. The poster is a good art. Damjan "Rowing forwards is possible, but hard." This idea that Obree, at age 47, was coming to BM and ride 100 mph and crush all the fastest speedbikes in the world was nothing but dreams. Obree knows about track racing and building fast upright track bikes. But apparently, he didn't bother to study recumbent bike design nor fairing design. Obree's design looks like something out of the HPV racing of the 1970's. Look familiar?
delcrossv	Posted - 09/07/2012 : 15:02:36 quote: Originally posted by DamjanZ The poster is a good art. Damjan "Rowing forwards is possible, but hard." I'll take a t-shirt.
DamjanZ	Posted - 09/07/2012 : 12:55:35 When I heard about Graeme and his intention to beat us all at Battle Mountain the first time, well, I got very skeptical. There was not much what we might have been overlooked, was it? But, I stayed reserved. What he showed us was not very perspective. I was waiting for the final surprise. But now I must say it looks silly. Come on, man. It is a classic case, a warning to beginners. For this purpose the poster will be just appropriate and I still like it. I agree with Warren, that not many people know for details. The poster is a good art. Damjan "Rowing forwards is possible, but hard."
warren	Posted - 09/07/2012 : 11:57:44 Greg - It will be worth the same as any other Battle Mountain T-shirt or poster, because only 30 people in the entire world would have a clue who or what the graphic represents.
warren	Posted - 09/07/2012 : 11:49:15 I am very disappointed as well. If Obree dropped the decimal place and thinks the slope is 6% (we all know it is actually 0.6%), maybe that's why he thinks he can go 100 MPH. Oops. I predict that at his UK record attempt he will attain 40MPH and that we will see pictures of the bike with duct tape holding the broken plastic together. Oh well, I still wish him good luck. -Warren.
Velofellow	Posted - 09/07/2012 : 10:04:30 I am dissapointed that Obree will not make it to BM. I wish him the best on his British attempt. It will be difficult for him to break a record on a two mile runway. I estimate that he will need about 1700W for 90 sec to go 100mph or 950W for 110sec to go 83mph within 2 miles even with a 2/3% downslope. So is my t-shirt and poster going to be worth more or less now? Greg Carbon Quest QB037 Varna Mephisto
Larry Lem	Posted - 09/07/2012 : 09:47:34 I wonder what type of clear plastic material is being used for his fairing. I wonder what will happen if he falls over at a speed above 20 mph. I wonder what kind of acceleration he expects to have to get to 80 or 100 mph in 2 miles. Too bad he's not attending even as a spectator to see what he's up against, and how important it is to ensure that your fairing is strong enough to protect you when you fall. Again, working in a vacuum (of sorts). Larry Lem
Larry Lem	Posted - 09/07/2012 : 09:44:50 6� = 10.4%. Woo hoo!, I hope it's downhill and not up. To get to 100 mph, we'd need 0.61 miles, coasting. BTW, The Battle Mountain course is within the IHPVA rules concering course flatness. 3.3.1 Course Flatness: Except for courses for the road race events, and the time trial events one hour and over, all courses must meet the following flatness requirement: If an imaginary line is drawn from the end of the timed portion of the event course back toward the beginning of the course but sloped upward at a slope of 2/3 percent (1 meter in 150), at no point may the vehicle course pass above this line. Curved courses may be used for any event, provided the same flatness requirement is met. The 200 meter time trap in the 200 meter speed trial events, however, must be contained in a straight section. All curved courses must be clearly marked with the limiting inside boundary. Any vehicle crossing a wheel over this boundary shall be disqualified from the run. Course distance shall be measured from the inside boundary of turns. Larry Lem
britCpower	Posted - 09/07/2012 : 08:37:23 Shame he wont be at Battle Mountain. Funny to read regular UK cyclists views of the speed record attempt. http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=71007 Is the 6 degree thing correct? I didnt realize Battle Mountain was down hill (if only slightly). "Well, when picking a venue you are always going to make comparisons with Battle Mountain. What made that such a good location for the human-powered speed record attempt was firstly the surface. It�s fast. The next thing is it is 5000 ft above sea level, plus it has something like a 6 degree slope in your favour. In an engineering journal I read, they said that Battle Mountain is worth 156 watts extra in energy, and that is just the slope, then the surface is actually purposefully built for the record attempt, so that has be worth another fraction in terms of surface resistance." my blog http://britcpower.wordpress.com/
hptdelft	Posted - 09/07/2012 : 08:33:14 That's a shame. ------------------------- Yeah yeah, banana custard.
Daz555	Posted - 09/07/2012 : 07:41:56 http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/graeme-obree-set-for-land-speed-record-attempt-in-britain-35187/ http://www.humansinvent.com/#!/8856/obree-set-for-land-speed-record-attempt-in-great-britain/ Not going to make it to BM as he si not ready but going to attempt in UK apparently.
legslarry	Posted - 09/04/2012 : 19:07:04 My mate Wobbly John met a nutter at the Mildenhall Rally the other week. Apparently Obree's machine will be arm-powered... The nutter also opined that Obree designed the Lotus bike only for Chris Boardman to steal the design and refuse to give Graeme any of the credit. Dave Larrington http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ ============================= a bit ov a lyv wyr by slof standirds
raptobike	Posted - 09/04/2012 : 13:57:29 Noticed this album with some new pictures: http://calverphoto.com/#num=content-1609&id=album-104 Still no fairing.... Arnold
Larry Lem	Posted - 08/30/2012 : 20:13:39 Hey now, Gardasil is my primary sponsor! Larry Lem
sean costin	Posted - 08/30/2012 : 19:22:57 Perhaps the image could be a bit more sympathetic to the volunteers who truly deserve more credit. Maybe we should have another design that says " I caught an HPV in Battle Mountain" Insert mountain backrop that"

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