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LunaticFringe Posted - 11/18/2017 : 17:05:11
WOW! I've been out of the game for a while. It's time to jump back in.

I had gotten up to 299.9 pounds, which scared me, and now I'm down to 230. By May, I'll hopefully be around 199.9. A 100 pound loss would be cool! I'm riding fast again and feeling GREAT. In the past few years, my town, Tucson, AZ, has built an amazing system of bike-friendly trails with no cars around (about 100 miles worth) and this streetliner will be a blast to cruise on it. I will also attend a few velodrome races with you guys, hopefully in 2018. Wahoo!


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I weighed about 280 pounds when I was riding 2.0. It was so fast that I allowed it to trick me into thinking that I was still fit at that weight. Hah!



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This project will start off with the same bike that I had used for 2.0, pictured below. It is the Steintrikes Speedster FS. The full suspension makes it a dream to ride on rough roads and it was really fast with the old fairing on it. The old fairing was HUGE. The new one will be much lighter and easier to transport. It has the Schlumpf High Speed Drive for the higher gearing needed for a streamlined bike.









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This new fairing will be constructed of a mix of an existing fiberglass fairing and fabric-over-rib construction, similar to Rick Gritters' awesome ride. I will be learning from the DVD available from GA Boats. It shows every step about how to build fabric-over-rib boats, like an 8 pound canoe. http://www.gaboats.com/


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The nose fairing arrives soon (pictured below, on a trike). I got it on eBay at a delivered price approx. $123. Made by Midnor Mold. It seems to be a decent shape to start with and I can easily modify it to suit my needs. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Recumbent-Bicycle-Nose-Cone-Recumbent-Fairing-Recumbent-Nose-/263269950942



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I set up my work area today so that I can begin the process. This won't be a mad rush and I'll start by making a stand for the bike so that it sits on top of the work table. I figure that I'll be done in a couple of easy months' work this winter.





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I no longer use a factory for my business activities. I only sell my product designs online using about 35 websites. I mostly sell traffic related security products and fake rock waterfalls for swimming pools. I'll be building this streetliner at a house where I operate the business from. I have still messed around with fiberglass over the years and recently made a ram air system for the Harley that WORKS GREAT.





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There won't be a techinical, dimensioned drawing for this build... I'm just going to wing-it and post pics along the way. It seems that the fabric-over-rib construction will be affordable and light. Since I'll be a newbie at that type of construction, I won't lock myself into a technical drawing.

I'll post more pics as it develops over the next couple of months. Next post might be in a week or two.

Jeff Bales
Tucson, AZ
Lunatic Fringe 3.0
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LunaticFringe Posted - 01/13/2018 : 21:03:25
Not much work on it today. Just a l'il fiberglass on the upper spar and an adjustment to the lowest spar at the right side seat connection to adjust a bit for better alignment.

The next step will be dirty work, fiberglassing over the current spars to that I can add the last 4 spars. It will be tougher to 'glass the spars with the final four in place, so I may as well do the current ones while more accessible.

See that triangular opening at the top o' the tail? That will be where the sculpted fiberglass head fairing will press fit into, allowing access to huge amounts of storage. It will be sculpted from foam, using the front section of the old head fairing (already fits the Flevo roof). There will be some Velcro straps to secure from the inside. I think that I'll be able to carry enough gear to go on a biking/camping trip with this sucker... like RAGBRAI!

Made this way, with LOTS of storage, this streetliner will be more like a 2-wheeled velomobile.

Hopefully, if its engine still has the oomph that I think it does, it will be faster than a standard velomobile and faster than a few of the slower streamliners. That remains to be seen!

I'm not in Geezer-mode yet! I'll be happy to make it there, though. ;)



Jeff Bales
Tucson, AZ
LunaticFringe Posted - 01/13/2018 : 18:01:26
quote:
Originally posted by Terry

Cool project! Not sure I understand how you get the pvc pipes out of the glass??and still keep the shape.
Are you using fibreglass mat? And polyester resin?
Thanks
Terry



Yep! Isophthalic polyester resin and 1 1/2 oz mat fiberglass. The resin doesn't bond well to PVC pipe unless you sand it, etc. In addition to that, I hit it with paste mold release prior to putting under the fiberglass. In one of the pics above, you'll see how I cut down the middle of each side to release a PVC pipe. It fell right out. After I fiberglass all of the pipes, I'll do the same to them and yank out the PVC, just to lighten it up. I'll use drops of cyanoacrylate glue to resecure the removed fiberglass into place then put another layer of fiberglass over that to reunite. The PVC will mostly go back to its original shape after I remove it. The fiberglass will retain its curved shape.

Jeff Bales
Tucson, AZ
Terry Posted - 01/12/2018 : 20:12:35
Cool project! Not sure I understand how you get the pvc pipes out of the glass??and still keep the shape.
Are you using fibreglass mat? And polyester resin?
Thanks
Terry
LunaticFringe Posted - 01/12/2018 : 18:40:09
I had a small amount of time to spend on the 'liner, so I added the upper spar. Yet to come, about 4 more spars, bulkhead, storage boxes, conversion of mid-section at upper spars into doors, and head fairing.

Oh yeah, then put the skin on the sucker and paint it!



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Bring on the fun!

Jeff Bales
Tucson, AZ
LunaticFringe Posted - 01/10/2018 : 09:37:18
I was able to sit in LunaticFringe 3.0 last night and found that I can narrow the mid-spars by about 1 1/2”. The time to do that is today. =)

Jeff “Getting Skinny” Bales
Tucson, AZ

LunaticFringe Posted - 01/09/2018 : 19:51:33
So far, I have been able to achieve decent symmetry. Wahoo!

I altered the rear jig so that it would not interfere with the location of the mid spar (half way up the seat). I will remove the rear jig after the rear spar sections have been laminated with fiberglass.



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The mid spar that is half way up the seat in 27" above the ground. I can step over that to get into the streetliner. There will be hinged doors that close the gap between the upper seat section and the bulkhead that will serve as the 'dashboard' area.



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A quick walk-around video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mT6CeoEHSDE

Tomorrow, I'll be able to sit in the seat to check for knee clearance at the sides and top, then begin the work to add the upper spars.

'So much fun today!

Jeff Bales
Tucson, AZ
LunaticFringe Posted - 01/06/2018 : 18:49:53
Today's update: It's got an actual shape. Hah! I started off by clamping some PVC to serve as a target at the rear. It won't be left in place, but I need a rigid structure to work with.



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The front ends of the spars will be grafted onto the *outside* of the front fairing since my feet can barely skip on the inner surface of the fairing if I have my feet twisted a bit. I've got really wide feet, too!



I started off with the rear tip positioned so that the streetliner would be 9' in length (my last one was 10' long). By the time that I adjusted the bottom spars from front to back, the actual total length got shortened to exactly 100 inches. That length allowed the minimum comfortable distance for my legs to come out and support the bike, plus intersect the bottom of the seat wings, then go to a decently tapered rear.



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It was fun to stick the head fairing on there for this picture, just to be able to start visualizing what it will look like. The spars along the side will have the PVC pipes removed after they have been fiberglassed. I'll cut the 'glass open to pull the pipes out, then glue them back into place to close and laminate with another layer of 'glass.



This is getting to be FUN!

Jeff Bales
Tucson, AZ
Balor Posted - 01/06/2018 : 04:34:07
quote:
Originally posted by alevand

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-01/uoih-efd010518.php

quote:
Originally posted by Jerry

Be very careful on Keto if you have a history of kidney disease and liver damage like me. You need carbs for good organ life. Not sugar, but complex carbs.



C:
Tony Levand



It only applies to type-one diabetic patients with inability to process glucose at all, hence all your heart will ever see is fats and some ketones (that are predominately used by the brain anyway).
If you are living on a keto diet, unless ALL you eat is fat (which is not recommended by anyone), about half of your ingested proteins would be converted to glucose by neoglucogenesis anyway (that is why it is not recommended to eat too much protein, it can kick you out of keto).

Also, if you are an active person on keto diet, you can (and actually should) carb up right before and during high-intensity excersize (in moderation, of course) - that will allow your heart mitochondria to use lactate and glucose and prevent this kind of pathological adaptation.

Btw, in full version of the article the mechanism of this maladaptation is explained by oxidative stress (overabundance of reactive oxygen species) and a genetic manipulation of natural antioxidant defences allows for preservation of "healthy" mitochondria even in fat-saturated environment... I wonder if 'natural' humans can use some sort of antioxidant supplements to counter that, too.
alevand Posted - 01/05/2018 : 15:41:10
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-01/uoih-efd010518.php

quote:
Originally posted by Jerry

Be very careful on Keto if you have a history of kidney disease and liver damage like me. You need carbs for good organ life. Not sugar, but complex carbs.



C:
Tony Levand
Jerry Posted - 01/03/2018 : 21:16:07
Ha, I worked in St. Louis for close to 40 years. I lived in Jefferson City 9 years and 30+ in Franklin County between Union and Washington, MO. Now live 4.9 miles from my 3 grand kids, North Richland Hills, TX. Record breaking winter temps since I have been down here, close to 2 years. I think the weather followed me.

My niece lives about 20 miles south of you in Sahuarita, AZ. I'll have to come by and visit you when we go to the Grand Canyon. Be careful and don't feed us, we might stay! Lol.
LunaticFringe Posted - 01/03/2018 : 20:56:51
quote:
Originally posted by Jerry

I hate riding indoors, but with my respiratory system, I can't ride in the cold air anymore.



That would be cool to see the pics of your mods with the nose fairings.

I understand about riding in cold weather! With MY lungs, if I ride in really cold weather, it'll turn to pneumonia pretty quickly. That is the number one reason why I moved away from St. Louis to Tucson, AZ, 30 years ago. ;)

Jeff
Jerry Posted - 01/03/2018 : 19:29:05
Yes, and it is the first time in a month I am not sick, the sun was out, and it was in the 40's. I hope to have them attached to the corovelo and Baron in the next few days. My fluid trainer came today also. I hate riding indoors, but with my respiratory system, I can't ride in the cold air anymore.
LunaticFringe Posted - 01/03/2018 : 19:18:07
quote:
Originally posted by Jerry

I thought that was part of your head! Lol. Get it done and come to Nashville with it.

I got my two nose cones today. One has a little damage from customs, two dents and spider cracks. No biggie though, I can fix it.



Hah!

That is so cool that your nose fairings showed up today. Wahoo!!!

Jeff Bales
Tucson, AZ
Jerry Posted - 01/03/2018 : 17:15:17
I thought that was part of your head! Lol. Get it done and come to Nashville with it.

I got my two nose cones today. One has a little damage from customs, two dents and spider cracks. No biggie though, I can fix it.
LunaticFringe Posted - 01/03/2018 : 16:07:40
I scrounged through a small pile of molds from back when I had a fiberglass factory. Thank God for the internet... I hire others to make my products and I sell through 35 websites now... no more itching everyday for years!

I still have a roughed in head fairing from Lunatic Fringe 2.0 that is already custom designed to fit a Flevo-Roof. It is a bit heavy, and too wide for this application, but THAT is easy to fix! I'll chop it to narrow by about 2 1/2" and sand a layer of fiberglass from the inside.

Interestingly, I had flanged it to fit onto the outside of the previous streetliner and those flanges will make great places for the fabric to adhere to prior to stretching over the other armatures. ;) We'll see if they are at the correct angles later.




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I'll need to move the fairing back away from my head about 2" as compared to this photo (helmet clearance).



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Jeff Bales
Tucson, AZ
LunaticFringe Posted - 01/02/2018 : 18:05:51
I now have both seat wings and flat panels (for constructing the storage box shapes) laminated. ;)

The opening for the storage bins seems very adequate, allowing for some bulky items to be stored in the box shapes that are to come (hidden behind the tail fairing fabric and spars).



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I'm really pleased with how strong and light the seat wing spars are. Very rigid already, as bolted to the seat, and super tough after other spars connect.

Jeff Bales
Tucson, AZ
Speedbiker Posted - 12/30/2017 : 04:31:01
That's just cheating!
LunaticFringe Posted - 12/29/2017 : 10:27:20
You guys are funny. Hah!

These pics show an update from yesterday.

I created a fiberglass sheet on a board so that I can cut the sheet into panels for storage areas in the tail section of the bike. The openings in the seat wings will be pretty large for storage at either side, plus there will be storage on/in the rear rack and there will be a hook on the back of the seat to hang a drinking bladder.

It will be pretty easy to cut up the sheet into storage box panels, then fiberglass the corners together. They will be a single layer of 1 1/2 oz. matt.



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I might lay up fiberglass from one of my old tail fairing molds and see if parts of it make sense to use as a fiberglass 'cap' to the tail fairing, especially directly behind the shoulder area. On second thought, maybe not. Hah!



Jeff Bales
Tucson, AZ
Jerry Posted - 12/29/2017 : 08:37:04
Ha ha. It is a deal. I will wave every time you pass me, which will be often! Ha. Hope to see you in Nashville.
Speedbiker Posted - 12/28/2017 : 22:18:09
Keep it up Roberson! Meet me in Nashville for your beatin'(in the Great Coroliner battle).
Jerry Posted - 12/28/2017 : 20:25:20
Come on Thom, haven't you ever heard of bringing home the bacon?

Jeff, you need a halo above the wings. You could call it, "Angel in the morning".
LunaticFringe Posted - 12/28/2017 : 20:16:40
quote:
Originally posted by Speedbiker

Yes, other than my concerns with it's width, I look forward to seeing the skin on it.



I’ll be an aerodynamic brick. Hah! If I could split in half, I could fit into a regular-sized streamer.



I’ll post more pics later... the seat ‘wings’ now have openings to accomodate storage on both sides. I figure that, since most of its duty will be off-velodrome use, I may as well be able to carry some stuff... like it’s a two-wheeled velomobile.

Jeff
Speedbiker Posted - 12/28/2017 : 10:00:02
Yes, other than my concerns with it's width, I look forward to seeing the skin on it.
Jerry Posted - 12/28/2017 : 07:12:27
Hey, the skinnier HPV is looking good!
LunaticFringe Posted - 12/27/2017 : 18:32:23
Alright, another update.

Since I needed to wash the water-soluble PVA mold release off of the back of the seat, I went ahead and blasted the whole thing, removing 5 years of dust that had collected while in storage. ;)



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This shows the seat 'wings' after removal from the cardboard pattern, trimmed, cleaned, and sanded, ready for the next step.



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Loosely bolted back onto the seat, I applied the pipe insulation onto the edges so that I can lay a single layer of fiberglass over the top, creating the rounded armature surface that the fabric will be shrunken onto. Of course, there will be ribs that go front to back, but this will serve as an all-important midway point, creating a lot of symmetry and strength.



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Cool! It actually looks like I'm getting something done. It will be fun to move onto the tail section next week. It will look really cool after all of the ribs are in place, almost like a streamliner skeleton. Hah!

Jeff Bales
Tucson, AZ

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